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We will begin this sermon in Revelation 19.
I began here because prophecy plays a very large part in our lives, and so no Christian ought be without an understanding of more than just the bare basics. In this verse it lets us know that Jesus' message—the gospel—is not only prophetic, but it is the essence of all biblical prophecy. The word "testimony" means "the statement given by a witness to an event." It is both frequently associated with someone who is on trial in a court, but it does not have to be limited to that. Newspapers give accounts of what people said of some event that occurred that is of interest to others. Jesus' statement—the gospel—is the message He preached during His lifetime. It is that message around which all other prophecy revolves. It is prophecy's heart and core. That is what the word spirit means. In this place it means the essence—the heart and core of that. Therefore, anybody looking forward to Christ's return—and that is us—should have more than merely a casual interest in prophecy. Most of us pay more attention to the prophecy than to the prophet. This is as it should be, but on the other hand let us look at what it says in Ephesians 2.
The church is built upon the apostles and the prophets and the words they wrote. They not only prophesied (that is, foretold events), but they also gave the most accurate accounts of ancient history. Besides that, they gave us a great deal of the doctrine, the teachings we believe and after which we pattern our lives. Most of us are unaware that the first person who is named a prophet is Abraham. Abraham was named a prophet in Genesis 20. This took place during the time Abimelech was being instructed by God regarding Sarah, to return her to Abraham, and so God counseled Abimelech to do the following.
Abraham is the first person directly named as a prophet, but he is chronologically not the first person the Bible shows prophesying. The first person the Bible shows actually prophesying is Enoch. It does not report on this until way back in the book of Jude.
Here we have Enoch, before the Flood, prophesying of the return of Jesus Christ, and His return with the saints. We have Abraham as the first named prophet, and we have Enoch, who was a prophet, and the first one actually shown prophesying, but it is not reported until all the way back in the book of Jude. Today we are going to begin what I think will be a 2-part series indirectly associated with "The Beast" series. We are going to be taking a look at some of what the Bible says about prophets primarily. We will not be looking into any individual personality, but we will be looking at the body of prophets and what they did, and what was required of them. That is going to take up the first sermon. With the second sermon I plan to get into one particular period of time in which there was almost literally an explosion of prophets God sent to the nation of Israel. We will look at what they said, because what they said during that period of time has very direct and great bearing upon what we are going through right now in our lives as part of the church of God. That period of time is exceedingly important to us in our time, and thus I think we can broaden the scope of our understanding of what God is working out in our generation.
The Old Testament uses three words that are translated into the English words "prophet" or "seer." Transliterated, these three Hebrew words are nabi, roeh, and hozeh. Nabi literally means "to bubble up." It describes one who is stirred up in spirit. This is the word which is the one most frequently used by the Hebrew writers. When the sense of "bubbling up" is applied to speaking, it becomes "to announce" or "to call" or "to declare." Hence, a nabi, or a prophet, is an announcer—one who pours forth the declarations of God. Roeh means literally "to see" or "to perceive." It is generally used to describe one who is a revealer of secrets; one who envisions. Hozeh also means "to see" or "to perceive," but this one is even used in reference to musicians. You might see that from time to time, that so-and-so, who is named as a musician, was a seer. It is also used to indicate a person who was a counselor or an advisor to a king. If you were reading through the Hebrew, it would not necessarily give you the indication that the person was a prophet, but rather an advisor—someone who had wisdom, and thus advised. It means "one who has insight." When the translators were translating, they tried to indicate whether the message was spiritual. If it was spiritual, then they tended to translate it "prophet." If it did not give any indication of being spiritually generated, then they would put "advisor" or "counselor," even though it was exactly the same word. In the Greek language, a prophet is simply "one who speaks for another"—one who speaks for a god, and so interprets the god's will to the people. Hence, the essential meaning in Greek is "interpreter." Nobody knows whether God intends that any real difference be understood from the usage of the different words, but usage in the Bible is more important than etymology. In the context of these scriptures it defines a prophet about as well as can be. The conclusion is this: A prophet is one who speaks for another. He is a representative who carries a message. He is an expounder of God's Word. Overall, the Bible's usage conforms most closely to the Greek usage, that a prophet is one who speaks for another. As we will see, it is not limited to God. In this situation, Moses' and Aaron's relationship is analogous to God's and Moses'. Moses is quite instructive in regard to our feelings about ourselves. We say, "What can I do? I'm so weak. I have no abilities." Moses said, "I am not a man of words." Was he not already justifying himself? He said, "I am heavy of mouth and tongue." (KJV) This is not exactly stammering, as some believe, but he is saying that he did not have a gift of speech. He means that he did not have it by nature, and that he did not have it developed within him since God began speaking to him. This is the same man about whom Stephen, who was defending himself against the Jews in Acts 7, said the following:
Is there a contradiction here? No, there is not. Both Moses and Stephen were correct. Moses was correct about himself. He did not have the gift of speaking, and he was not an eloquent man. Stephen was also correct. This is showing us that the power, the effectiveness in Moses' words was not in Moses himself but was in what God added to the words that came out of Moses' mouth. It was God who made the impact on the hearer's mind. I would have to guess, to speculate, that in one sense this was never really overcome in Moses, that he was not eloquent as men would count eloquence. But yet what he said had awesome power because of God being in what he said. And so both men were correct—Moses about himself and Stephen seeing it from his perspective. Moses really said powerful things because God added to what Moses actually said. We have to remember this. I said this is instructive to you and to me because we are much the same way. We tend to say, "Who am I?" "What can I do?" The answer is that God has called the weak of the world, and we really do not have very much to offer Him except our lives, and that we are willing to be used. He adds where we lack, and that is what makes the difference. He says He does this so that no man can glory in His presence. God intends this be something that humbles us. We need to recognize that it is God who gives the increase to the effectiveness of what we say and what we do. Moses undoubtedly had ideas from his upbringing in Egypt, which were as good as a person could receive at that time. He had ideas about what a leader should be like. He probably thought that a hero needed to be some kind of a blazing person (like we might think) who commanded peoples' attention, who was good-looking, and had everything going for him. We understand that God does not call many mighty in that regard, that God uses the weak, and He is going to glorify Himself in what is going on. So Moses did not yet recognize that since this was going to be a work of God, the focus was going to be on God, and what He supplied would always be sufficient for the task. Remember that, because learning and keeping our place in God's scheme of things is a very hard lesson for us to learn. As you can see, in verse 14 God became angry at Moses' resistance, but really at Moses' unbelief is what it amounts to. God's promise to be with him did not mean that Moses would suddenly become eloquent and fluent. We have to understand that God knows how to use His creatures. He will use them to His end. If a man has great resources, his sufficiency makes God unnecessary, and he becomes puffed up. So God makes clear, through Paul, that He purposely calls the weak for His end. Let us go to Exodus 7, because the story goes on.
This is what I mean when I said this is not limited to God and men, but also takes place from one man to another. Aaron was Moses' prophet, and Moses was God's prophet.
What is beginning to become clear here is that the prophet is a message-carrier from one of greater authority. In this case Moses was in the position of God to Aaron, and Moses thus was also in the position of God to Pharaoh. By combining Exodus 4 with Exodus 7, the biblical usage of a prophet has a good foundation. It begins to become clear that a prophet is one who expresses the will of God in words, and sometimes with signs given to confirm what was said. It is through Moses that the function of a prophet begins to become clearly established. Their function was basically to cry aloud and show men their sins. It does not stop there though, because as we will see as we go along, they were also pastors and ministerial monitors of the peoples' conduct and attitudes. Their function differed from that of priests in that the priest approached God on behalf of the people by means of sacrifice. This is in contrast to the prophets who approached men as ambassadors of God, beseeching men to turn from their evil ways, and live. The difference between a prophet and a priest is a matter of direction, in that one goes from God to man, and the other goes from men to God. The priest goes from men to God. The prophet goes from God to men. It is a matter of direction and directness. The priest is indirect; the prophet is direct. We have things going in opposite directions here, yet both working to accomplish essentially the same thing, which is to bring man and God into a relationship with one another. This has direct application to us under the New Covenant. I want you to go back to II Corinthians 5 where Paul makes a very interesting statement in this regard about the New Covenant ministry.
That word "ambassadors" is key here. Remember I said to you that the prophet is God's ambassador that He sends. He goes from God to men, and so the prophet is an ambassador from God to men. The ministers are ambassadors for Christ. We go from God to men. We are not in the position of a priest.
Within the New Testament ministry there is a strong element of the work of a prophet, and a very, almost by comparison, weak element of the work of a priest who is seen as an intercessor between God and men, going in the opposite direction. The priest goes from men to God. The office of prophet then was not merely to foretell the future (which was actually in a way secondary), but to forth tell with power and exposition the application of the law, which is the declaration of God's will. God's will is expressed through the law; thus the prophet's function has two elements: (1) moral and doctrinal, and (2) predictive. To most, the predictive is the more important, but it is no more important than the other part, which has to do with the morality of the people. Within their prophecies is an understanding of history that shows meaning only in terms of a sovereign, loving, and holy God's purpose and participation. Outside of that, they are meaningless. Man's history is always shown to be moving in the direction of that purpose, which is the only perspective from which the prophecies can be understood. This is why the world gets so screwed up in interpreting the prophecies. The ones who do the better job in interpreting the prophecies are those who are looking forward to the return of Jesus Christ, and this would generally tend to be the evangelical groups. They do a better job at interpreting the prophecies because they have a tendency to look at them as moving in that direction. In those groups which are really liberal in their thinking, prophecy becomes virtually meaningless to them. They seem to do all in their power to subvert the intention of those prophecies and say that they were already fulfilled. They do that kind of thing. The liberal Protestant groups seem to be in that category. Prophecy is not intended to open the future just to idle curiosity, but for the greater purpose of furnishing guidance to God's people, to give encouragement, hope, confidence, and to instill urgency in the heirs of salvation. We will now go back to the Old Testament once again, to Deuteronomy 18.
The important thing for us right here is the association of the word "prophet" with the phraseology "I will put My words in his mouth." That is exactly what He told Moses He would do, and so we can see a chain there—from God to Moses, from Moses to Aaron, from Aaron to Pharaoh, or from Aaron to the people. Contrary to what it shows you in The Ten Commandments movie, I would get from the Bible that it was Aaron who did the bulk of the speaking before the people, rather than Moses. This does not mean that Moses was excluded from speaking to the people, because eventually, even though he never, as far as I am able to see, overcame his lack of eloquence he complained of, he nonetheless became secure in his position as the leader. As the forty-year trial went on, he more and more spoke directly to the people. I am sure that when they finally got out away from Pharaoh, Moses did the bulk of the speaking before the people, and Aaron faded into the background in that regard. Every other prophet, except Christ, only built on the foundation that was laid in Moses. These verses particularly foretell of Christ, but in principle it applies to all of the prophets that followed Moses, because all of those prophets were spoken to by God, and they in turn did the same thing Moses did. They delivered the message to the ones the message was to go to. Prophets have been, until New Testament times, God's way of reaching the people. Whenever the people needed a prophet—we might even say a mediator with God, just like He said here in verses 16 and 17—God would raise one up and put His words in the prophet's mouth. We are going to go to verse 9 of Deuteronomy 18, and you will begin to see that virtually this whole chapter deals with prophets and prophecy.
Man has a powerful urge to explore the future and to know what the will of God is, but he has to resist the impulse for satisfaction apart from what God says. All of these are heathen ways of scanning the future, and through these means men have sought knowledge and the power of God, or gods, to serve their own ends. There is some disagreement in commentaries and Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias as to the precise meaning of some of these terms, but I will give it my best shot, because people are still using them to this day. It seems that things like this never end.
All of these are forms of idolatry, because the true God is not sought. The reason these things are a danger is because there is no reality, no absolutes, no law of God at their base. The reason I went through this is because with a true prophet, he never loses sight of the law of God. The law of God is his proof of who he is, apart from signs that God permits him to give, but he never strays away from the law of God. That is an absolute. These others are idols because there is no reality. There are no absolutes tied to the predictions they are making. The person who seeks the will of God through these means is at the mercy of lying demons and imaginative men and women. The prophecies of the Bible will deal in four basic areas:
We are going to back now to Deuteronomy 13.
It is a prophetic voice that speaks for God, and these prophets [the true ones] will always have at the base of their prophecy the commandments of God as evidence. The message they give (predictive or whatever) must always be in harmony with previously revealed truth even though the prophet may be breaking new doctrinal ground. That happens every once in a while. We can begin to see another difference between the prophet and a priest or a minister. The priest or the minister conserves old truth, and implements new truth given by the prophet. Did you hear what I said? Most of the time new truth will come through a prophet. Now I said most of the time, because under the New Covenant new truth came through apostles who were about as close to a prophet as you can get, but they were not prophets. Paul makes that clear when he listed the offices in the church, and he listed apostles first, and prophets second. Once we leave the Old Covenant and go into the New Covenant, God instead used apostles to bring new truth, and the prophet was moved into a secondary position to the apostle. But all the way through the Old Testament, the new truth, the new doctrines, came through prophets. A minister's job, and my job as a minister, is to conserve what has already been given. I am supposed to be conservative, to hold fast to what was given in the past, but I am also supposed to recognize that new truth comes through an apostle. There is no apostle, and so I do not expect that there will be any new truth. But if God raises up a prophet, then we also have to recognize that new truth can come through a prophet. He will not break that pattern. New truth will either come through an apostle or a prophet. The prophet breaks new ground, but he also conserves the old. There is a difference between a minister and a prophet. A minister does not give new truth. He conserves old truth. The prophet or the apostle will conserve the old, and also give new.
The word "precious" is being used in the sense of "rare." Things that are rare are precious. They of course are also valuable. I think the sense of this is that the priesthood at that time was speaking without inspiration. There was "no open vision." They were speaking without inspiration. Their messages carried no moral authority, because God was not with them. If you are familiar at all with the opening parts of the book of Samuel, you will begin to understand that Eli was not a very good priest. His sons were even worse. There was no vision. There was no open truth really, because the people were not hearing the inspired Word of God. The people were no longer positively affected by the ceremonies that were being performed by a decadent priesthood, and so through Samuel God raised up a new moral power to correct the situation. This does not seem to be in any way a systemized way of succession from one prophet to another. Each prophet received his office directly from God by appointment. There is another distinction there between a true prophet of God and a priest, even if that priest spoke under the inspiration of God. A prophet was somebody directly appointed by God, whereas a priest received his office simply because he was a son, a descendant of Aaron. The classic prophet was a man who approved of the way of God to the Israelites, but he tended to be outside the established system. That begins to become very clear from Samuel on. We are going to go now to Isaiah 58 to back up what I said a little bit earlier.
This was a prophet's major responsibility. But again, if you read widely in the Bible, you will also find prophets who are called "watchmen," and prophets who are called "man of God." They are also called pastors, but in each case there is either some strong, weak, subtle, or whatever, indication that they were somebody set apart from the normal system, even if they happened to be a priest. Jeremiah was a priest. Ezekiel was a priest, but you read both of those books, and even though those men were priests, they were not part of the system. They stood apart from it even though they were of Aaron's family. It was what God did in setting them apart that made them recognizable to the people as "a man of God," as their "watchman." Although there are periods of time in the biblical record that there appears to be gaps, I believe that until the New Testament times there were almost always prophets. Most of the commentators say that the last Old Testament prophet was John the Baptist. Even though he appears in the New Testament, he was still operating under the Old Covenant. His father Zacharias was a priest, and even though John the Baptist came from a priestly family, he was very definitely different from the priests of that day. He stood out like a sore thumb. Always remember that, because it is an identifying mark. Even though a prophet may be a priest, he is definitely not part of the priesthood system. The prophets whose writings make up much of the biblical record tend to appear just prior to a time of crisis, or during the crisis itself. Sometimes they were well organized, as in Samuel's day. It even says that there was a school of the prophets. However, just from my own study, these schools of the prophets I think really tended to be not prophets of the classic sense, like Samuel, or Jeremiah, or Ezekiel, or Isaiah, but rather they were simply men who were going to a theological seminary. They were very likely mostly from the family of Aaron, and part of their priesthood training was to go to these schools. There is no doubt that some of these spoke under the inspiration of God, but they were not prophets in the same sense as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Malachi, and others. Sometimes their ministry was accompanied by tremendous miracles, as with Elijah and Elisha. These signs and miracles were used as reinforcement to their ministry from God. At other times, as with John the Baptist, there were no miracles at all. In other words, what I am saying here is there is no one pattern in regard to this, except that they were men set apart. We are going to go to I Kings 18 and look in on Elijah, because after Samuel the next great prophet was Elijah.
There is his base: the Ten Commandments; the law. Elijah is declaring himself as one sent from God.
Elijah is quite instructive here. He came into a time of immediate crisis, and one that was going to get far worse before it ever got better. There was tremendous evil to overcome. This was about 150 years before Israel was to fall and become the Lost Ten Tribes, so God was beginning to make a powerful witness before that occurred. Here is God's pattern being established. He begins to send somebody long before the real crisis actually occurs. A crisis is building. A crisis is occurring, but the prophet comes along before it reaches its peak. Elijah's work was to reveal the true God to Israel in a time of growing national crisis. Notice Elijah says disturbing things. This is a prophet's job. He says disturbing things, and that is the hallmark of a prophet of God. We have to understand that people like to feel comfortable. You like to feel comfortable. I like to feel comfortable. The only trouble is we like to feel comfortable in moral mediocrity. We want to be "settled on our lees," as it says in another place in the prophets. The prophet comes along, and he troubles people because he awakens them and makes them feel guilty concerning their relationship with God and each other. He awakens them to their spiritual and moral responsibility. These people were lethargic as far as true spiritual things were concerned. I have read that when a person is freezing to death he feels a pleasant numbness he does not want to end. The person just goes to sleep as he is freezing to death. But when heat is applied, and the blood begins rushing into the affected areas, pain immediately occurs. The pain, brethren, is indicative of rescue and cure. God sends a prophet to people who are cold in their relationship with God—maybe we might say freezing to death—and they want to stay that way. The prophet turns the heat on, and they get mad at him when he is working to make them better. But it troubles them. There is pain there. A prophet does not live in a happy situation. I think that if you have read through some of the prophets' lives you would see this. Maybe the most clear in this regard is Jeremiah, who moaned and complained to God, "This is more difficult than You ever told me it would be. You tricked me." He did not like it. He wanted people to like him. That is understandable, but he was still faithful, and he did his job. But he was in trouble his whole life, from the time he was a teenager on. There are several ideas as to exactly what Elijah said here ("How long halt you between two opinions?" KJV). One of them goes like this: "How long are you going to hop from branch to branch?" See, just like a bird going from branch to branch. The bird cannot make up its mind as to where it wants to settle down. It just keeps hopping around. Another said it is the shifting of weight from one foot to the other, indicating some degree of lameness. There is a third one where they said he is describing somebody teetering on a tightrope and trying to maintain his balance. There is no doubt about his intent. "How long will you keep hopping or shifting from one opinion to the other?" Their spiritual lethargy for the true God made them uncommitted. This is what he was concerned about. Their commitment went one way, and then it went the other way. Once Elijah began preaching, their conscience pricked them, and it encouraged them to worship the true God. But their carnality and their fear of men persuaded them to worship Baal, because they wanted to be friends with all these people. They were straddling the fence in a very precarious state of imbalance, attempting to combine the worship of God with the more popular worship of Baal and Asherah. This is typical Israelitish syncretism, but it will not work. I remember reading in the book, A Stillness at Appomattox (Bruce Catton's work on the Civil War). At one point in the book he was dealing with soldiers who left the service of the army that they were in—either the Confederate Army or the Union Army—and they would go over to the other side and surrender themselves in order to be given a bit of favor and put into prison. In exchange for that, they would offer information about their unit. For a while both sides—the Confederate and the Union—accepted those people and took their information. But before the war was over, both sides were summarily executing anybody who did that. Bang! They were dead. Do you know why they did this? It was because those soldiers could not be trusted. Either one of them. The information they gave turned out to be mostly wrong. It turned out to be lies. They were just saving themselves and being comfortable in the situation, and not being committed to the side that they were really on. That is what we are dealing with here. When Elijah gave his messages, it put these people into a bind, because they knew their conscience was telling them that they had to commit themselves to God, or to Baal, and so they were disturbed. Only the individual could decide which side he was going to be on, because Elijah was making it clear: "God does not want you the way you are. Either you are going to be committed to Him, or you are not going to be committed to Him. If you are not going to be committed to Him, you are going to die." Now Baal could not talk to them, but if Baal could, he would have probably said basically the same thing, and so it put them into a very uncomfortable situation. The lesson for us becomes very clear, because Jesus said the same thing basically to you and to me:
The lesson here for you and me is that the Sovereign Creator is not a God who allows His favor to be bought with crumbs. He is a loving Master to be obeyed and to be served on His terms only. Elijah was sent by God. He was doing the responsibility of a prophet. He was prodding the people he was sent to, to their responsibilities. That is what a prophet does. He was to be an aid in getting them from their state of being merely "churched," to that of being truly religious and servants of the Most High God. Some I know, brethren, get discouraged with the church because we are always being told, to some measure anyway, disturbing things about ourselves. But brethren, this is the place where we come to have our minds stretched and measured against Christ's standard. For one to keep on coming to services, and then leaving like a theater-goer without the opinions resolved and decisions deferred, is an erosion of character. "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin." The character is eroding away. The sum of what Elijah said is that it is actually dangerous, because God is judging. The purpose of Christ is to cure, not merely to comfort. Pain is going to be involved when we are dealing with a prophet, and we are dealing with a prophet here now—Elijah. Elijah then prepared the way for Elisha, who had a double portion of Elijah's spirit, and did many more miracles. In this regard, Elijah was a type of John the Baptist, and Elisha a type of Christ. We are going to turn to some scriptures that are all in regard to John the Baptist. We have no greater testimony than that of Jesus Christ who said that nobody was greater than John the Baptist. We are looking at the greatest of the prophets. He does not seem that way just by looking at the little bit that is written about him, but Jesus Christ had a high regard for this man. If you ever see any movies that have John the Baptist in them, they portray him like he was a wild man. There is no doubt he apparently dressed differently from other people. He stood out, but there was no doubt he was not part of the system. Again, you see, the prophet always stands apart, regardless of what family he was from. Isaiah apparently was royalty. He may have been a Jew. He was not a priest. Jeremiah and Ezekiel were priests. I believe that Elijah was either an Ephraimite or a Manassite.
He was asked, "Why are you baptizing?" and verse 26 is his reply:
John made it very clear that though he was a prophet, he was not the Prophet, but rather was sent as a preparer of the way for the One who was "the" Prophet Of course, I know you understand that John the Baptist's ministry was "unto repentance." He came revealing to people their sins, which is what the prophets always did. What we are looking at here is not so much his ministry, as we are seeing the unique position he was in, chosen by God to be the one who would introduce the Messiah to the Hebrew world.
That is an interesting statement all by itself. Is there another Elijah to come? It is very clear—and there is no greater authority than Jesus Christ, who said, "This is Elijah." Now did John the Baptist restore all things? Did John turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers? This is an interesting puzzle that we have going here. It is pretty hard to gainsay what Jesus said: "This is Elijah!"
There is no prophet greater than John the Baptist. I think we can honestly say that if there were none greater, maybe others were equal to. Maybe they were all on the same level, but even Jesus refused to say that Moses was greater than John the Baptist, and yet by worldly standards, especially from a Jew's perspective, Moses was the greatest of all. But not according to Jesus, who said nobody was greater than John the Baptist. It almost looks as though He is saying, "This is the one that everybody else ought to be measured against." At the very least, he is equal to the ones that the people in the world would think were greater. Not so. John did the work of Elijah, revealing the true God through a ministry devoted to preaching the certainty of things contained in the Scriptures regarding Christ, and yet he did no miracles. So it is obvious that God does not measure a man's greatness by the miracles that he does. Matthew 17:10-12 follows on the heels of the Transfiguration.
We have already seen what Jesus said about John the Baptist. He was Elijah.
When it says in verse 11 "Elijah truly shall first come and restore all things," that word "shall" there tends to make people think Jesus is speaking of a future time when an Elijah will appear. I will go only as far as to say "maybe," because there is a way of understanding verse 11 that I know is a true way. Whether it can be applied in another way, I do not know, but all Jesus said there in verse 11 is that the scribes' interpretation is correct, as far as it went. In other words, He is saying that the scribes did rightly quote the scripture—that before the Messiah comes, Elijah shall precede Him, and so they interpreted it that far correctly. I do not know whether Jesus is speaking in verse 11 of another Elijah yet to come, but for the second time, He said, "Elijah is already come, and they killed him." Malachi 4:4-6 gives indication of what may be an end-time Elijah that will do the same basic work as Elijah and John the Baptist. Will there be three? I do not know. It is a possibility, but we will explore another possibility perhaps at the beginning of the next sermon in regard to this, and we will see what you think. We will stop here and hopefully pick things up the next time around. JWR/smp/cah
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