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Over the last few days I have personally felt a mixture of anger, and sadness, and pity, and sympathy, a little bit of grief, and frustration. Many may have felt this way because of the attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, but mine came as a result of the general response to it. Of course, we expect shock and grief and outrage. We expect calls for vengeance. We expect people to rise in patriotism and to make expressions (of one sort or another) of care and of sympathy for the victims and for their families. I have expressed these myself; and I am sure many of you have done the same—gone through a whole gamut of emotions. Maybe I should have expected arrogance, denial of sin, and flat-out religious ignorance too. I did not. I thought that if something of this magnitude should occur that it would turn us to look inward—to see where we fall short. I guess in that way I am an optimist. I do not really believe in 'the eternal goodness of man' necessarily. But I usually expect good things from people (more than bad), because I have grown up in a time when most things are pretty good. And so I naturally expect good things to happen, and for people to react in the proper way. I do not look at people, normally, and expect them to do something that I would not like. I tend to trust people a little bit more than that. But maybe, looking back on it, I should have been somewhat more pessimistic—because of the way it has all turned out. Mainly, it has made me profoundly aware of how lacking in understanding the public is. And this includes some very well-known clergy, politicians, and commentators (whom we see on the news and read in our papers)—how lacking in understanding these people are about the Christian faith and the character of Almighty God. It has saddened me. This country was built somewhat on the foundation of God's Word. A great deal of the education of our founding fathers was in the Bible. So you would think that this country (after 226 or 227 years) would still have some of those same values and be able to make the same reactions to disaster that may have been made many decades ago. But I have found out that is not the case. What has happened over the last week has solidified my understanding—that though they call their deity "God" and His Son "Jesus Christ"—that they worship something else altogether. It is not the God of the Bible, even though they name him the same as the God who is in the Bible. I have something here that is going to make you mad. It made me mad. It is by a man named Rip Rense. He is a columnist that appears on WorldNetDaily. He tends to be a libertarian in most of his views. He wrote an article last week called "Put the Finger Away, Rev. Falwell." I want you to hear what he says, and I want you to notice the attitude. I am going to read most of this article.
That is awful! His attitude really got to me. I have read this two or three times, since I first saw it; and it makes me mad every time. I want to really give him a piece of my mind, but I know that would not do any good. What really got to me was his ignorance of the true God. Today is the Feast of Trumpets. The meaning of this day illustrates the fullness of God and His character. It is not all 'sweetness and light'. God's character is far fuller than that—far more rounded than just sweetness and light. Sometimes He must be the God of vengeance and of justice—and woe to those who must face it. For another point of view, I have to reach back 250 plus years to find another quote that is closer to the mark. This is from Jonathan Edwards, in his sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God." He was an early 18th century Puritan preacher, who has been called by many 'the best' of all the Puritan preachers. He wrote this, basically, telling people that they are dangling on a spider's thread over the fires of hell. Now, listen to this (so unlike Rip Rense):
Now, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The truth is somewhere between what modern people believe of God—as 'gentle Jesus, meek and mild,' a babe in arms, a weak and ineffectual Savior on a cross, bound there by nails of iron, unable to do anything, and the angry, hell-bent God of Jonathan Edwards. But I think the truth lies a little bit closer to Jonathan Edwards, at this time, than it does to the modern conception of a 'gentle and mild' Jesus. Let us begin in Leviticus 23; and we will go over, just briefly, the command to keep the Day of Trumpets.
In one place it is called a memorial of blowing of trumpets, and it is called in another a day of blowing of trumpets.The Hebrew word translated in both places "blowing of trumpets" is teruwah. This word has several senses. Among them are shouting, alarm, loudness, and even joy. In Leviticus 25, it is even the word that is used for "jubilee"—as in the Jubilee year. It is a teruwah year. It is a year of shouting, of joy, of loudness—but also of alarm, if all of these meanings are put together. However, it is most often associated with the noise of war.
Is that not interesting? "Against the high towers." In Zephaniah 1:16, this word alarm is a form of teruwah. It is quite apparent that God is prophesying of a time of great destruction as a result of His wrath. This is the Day of the Lord! Somebody else's wrath is not mixed up in all of this. It is God's righteous anger that strikes, as a result of sin. "It is near and hastens quickly," He says. So a cry, or a shout of alarm, goes out that death and destruction, darkness and gloominess, are very close. This scenario is part of what this Day of Trumpets is all about. It is a warning that we get every year—that this day approaches ever nearer. And we do not want to be trampled under the hooves of God's army that is coming, because the injustice of this world has been building like water behind a dam (like Jonathan Edwards said); and, in time, it is going to be let loose. God will have to punish for it. So the Day of Trumpets heralds a time of war and death, a time when God, in His wrath over sin, takes direct action in the affairs of men. And from just these verses, it is very apparent that it is near. It is soon. The word trumpet, in verse 16, is shofar—the ram's horn that was blown on the new moon. Particularly on the Day of Trumpets, the ram's horn was blown. It is the only holy day to fall on a new moon.
I would recommend that you go back and read Psalms 81—in light of Trumpets, and in light of what we have just gone through this past week. God says in there, "Listen to Me, Israel. Do what I say." He goes back and looks at the wilderness wanderings and the failings of Israel, and shows that they failed every time—even though they had God right there with them. They made a covenant with Him; and He told them, "You shall worship no other god." And He would have given them whatever they asked—if they would only obey Him. He said, "Open wide your mouth and I will fill it." (Like a bird, waiting for its mother to drop in a worm.) God's saying, "As wide as you could have opened your mouth, I would have filled it—given you everything. But My people would not heed."And so He says, "I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, to walk in their own counsels." And that is when things start to get bad. Then, at the end of the chapter, He shows that things can get better—if they will only listen, and repent. And then, the last verse is a picture of the Millennium. So you might want to go through and study that—in terms of what we have just been through. The Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible) says nothing about the shofar being blown on the Day of Trumpets. We get that from other parts of the Book. Intriguingly, the blowing of the shofar is mentioned in one place that is very interesting; and that is in Exodus 19 and 20. This is just after the people got to Sinai, and God told Moses to get the people ready.
Now, notice: If you understand the drift, the Israelites did not blow the shofar here. It was evidently blown by angels. The people were trembling. They were not blowing shofars. They were trembling, because this loud shofar was blowing and making them very fearful.
This is something that a human set of lungs could not do. A continuous pealing of this shofar—increasing in strength as it kept on going, and going, and going.
Then, after the law was given:
I get a mental picture very similar to what happened at the World Trade Center, when that tower came crashing down; and you saw people rushing away from it—because they did not want to be caught in it!
He wanted to scare them witless—to let them know what He was like. Why? The very next phrase:
The man of God drew near. People full of sin ran away. It is very interesting that here, when He gives the law as a test for Israel, they heard the shofar. What does that say about the Day of Trumpets? There are three things that are happening when the shofar sounds.
So the three things are (1) God is drawing near. (2) There is law that guides the affairs of men—between men and God, and man and man. (3) There is a test, a judgment, a crisis where things could go one way or the other. On which side are you going to fall? I just thought that was interesting that the only place in the whole book of the law (the five books of Moses) where shofar is mentioned—other than in Leviticus 25, about the Jubilee—it has to do with God coming near, giving the law, and passing judgments. Of course, we blow it on the Day of Trumpets; and this is the sort of thing that we are supposed to remember when we hear it—when we keep this day. Let us go to Joel 2. I am getting back to the idea that our God is not just the 'meek and mild' God that this world portrays Him as.
This army of God is full of destruction.
No one can! All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. It is only those who have a right relationship with Him who, in any way, can escape this. Here the shofar is blown in Zion to announce the Day of the Lord. And we find out very clearly, in verse 11, that it is God who leads this army. It is His army, His camp. And what do armies do? Rush Limbaugh has, I think, the absolute best definition of what an army does. He says, "They kill people and break things." That is what armies do! That is what they are trained to do. And that is what God's army does—kills people and breaks things—in absolute righteousness. He is entirely just to do that, because He has made His law very plain. And it says in Romans 2 that even the Gentiles, who have no connection with the law, know this law (like it is just part of the way things are). This law is available. The natural man can understand at least the rudiments of this law. So people are without excuse. It says that in Romans 1. They should be able to see all of this in the creation. So when God marches at the forefront of His army, He is entirely just and righteous to kill people and break things.
It is very plain Who is behind it all. Rip Rense was wrong. God destroys because of sin! Jonathan Edwards was right. God has every right to do whatever He wants, because the water has been building behind the dam. Most people have no problem understanding that the God of the Old Testament was full of wrath. That He was ready to kill. That He would totally eradicate Israel at a moment's notice. This is not an accurate conception of Him! The God of the Old Testament was not eager to kill. He had lovingkindness that He wanted to give to Israel, and to all that came into contact with Him. But the Old Testament is a history—a record—of how people refused Him! So instead of just leaving it at that, He went in His love and showed the whole process. So He killed many Israelites. He burned their cities (by the Assyrians and the Babylonians). He took them into captivity. He wanted to show us what would happen if we did the same. But this idea of a vengeful, wrathful, hell-bent God of the Old Testament has become popular—especially among Protestant ministers—contrasted to the God of the New Testament. (Jesus meek and mild, the babe in arms, whose mother has more power than he. The weak, naked savior on a cross, looking effeminate, longhaired, lanky. Could not even pick up his own bowl of cereal at breakfast because he was so weak.) Is that not the impression you get from the pictures you see? But what they fail to tell the people, who are listening to them, is that the God of the Old Testament is the same God who hanged on that cross; the same God who was born and placed in a manger; the same God who was resurrected after three days. The same God who ascended to heaven, and now sits at the right hand of His Father—and who is our Judge and High Priest, and soon coming King. They leave that out. It is sad. It is abominable! They have made a god out of only part of the true God's character. They have left the rest out. They do not want to deal with it. They do not want to deal with that 'knife's edge' side of God's character—Who must uphold His justice. Now, I do not understand why they cannot see from verses like I Corinthians 10:1-5. This is all the Scripture we need to show that Jesus of Nazareth is the same God who created the world, who gave the law on Sinai, who lead His people out of Egypt, who knocked the walls of Jericho down, and on and on and on. Paul says it very plainly.
How simple! The same God who slew 10,000 here, and 50,000 there, and who knows how many Egyptians in the plagues is the same Christ that walked on this earth for 33 ½ years. Now notice:
How many bodies was that? Did you ever think about how many people God slew in the wilderness? If our estimates are right, probably close to a couple million—whose bodies just disintegrated in the desert. "Strewn," he said—scattered like straw in the wind. And the same Jesus Christ of Nazareth did it. Why is it they cannot see that? Well, it is very easy. Satan the Devil has deceived the whole world. We can lie this at his feet; but those preachers are not innocent, by any means. They know that, if they preach a Jesus 'meek and mild'—who does not call for them to obey, then they have job security. They are not demanding of their congregation to repent, and to live the godly way. People do not want to change; and so the preachers teach a smooth thing, a nice thing. And they can continue in their pulpits. How many preachers are there in America like Jonathan Edwards? America has not seen his like since, unless it is some true church preachers. But even true church preachers do not preach "hellfire and brimstone" like Jonathan Edwards because, in a way, Jonathan Edwards was too much on the other end of things. He did not give true hope to Christians. To get back to I Corinthians 10, what does this day commemorate? That the same God in the Old Testament—that appeared in the New as our Savior—is coming! And we will see Him as He is, if we are among the first resurrection. We will know the fullness of His character, and understand why He is the way that He is—why He did the things that He did—even more fully than we do now. But that great God and King is coming! Please go with me to Hebrews 12. We are in a very precarious position here, because we know. We have been taught. The truth has been revealed to us. We know that God is coming soon. So Paul says:
Who is "Him who speaks"? We learned this from Mr. Armstrong. He is the Word, the Logos—the same God Being who has dealt with man from the very beginning. He is the Creator of all things, El Shaddai, the Almighty—who became flesh and dwelt among us. The Man, Jesus Christ. That is "Him who speaks." Now notice what Paul says here:
Did you catch the difference? He says,"The God of the Old Testament was quick to punish those who did not heed Him; but now, under the New Covenant, how much more shall we not escape if we do not heed Him who speaks from heaven." Did you catch the rise in intensity there? The stakes are far higher for us!
Again, this elevation of intensity! He did earthquakes in the Old Testament times. In New Testament times—in the coming times—He is not only going to do earthquakes, He is going to shake the very universe. A rise in intensity, because the stakes are higher.
Physical things can be shaken. They will be removed, destroyed. The only things that will remain are spiritual and eternal things. Those will remain eternally. That is the side we want to be on.
He is not 'Jesus, meek and mild' all the time; only when He needs to be. On the other hand, He is ready to destroy wickedness. So, since we have been given the opportunity to be in an eternal Kingdom—have eternal life and all the rewards that go with it—we had better toe the line, or face the consuming fire. It is pretty scary, is it not? We are not dealing with a powder puff, a pushover. We are dealing with the very God who created all things, and upholds all things by the word of His power. We are dealing with the ultimate in Beings—the ultimate in everything. And His holiness will not abide sin! But He gives grace until we come to realize that, or face the music. I would rather come to realize that, and make the proper decision. What He says is, “Take heed and obey—or else." There are two sides to His character, if you want to put it that way. In Isaiah 45, when He is describing Himself to Cyrus—before Cyrus was ever born—He says this:
How many times has He said it already? There is only one.
Two sides. There is a light side, and a dark side. And they are from the same Being. Now, I do not want you to get the idea that He is evil—because His "dark side" is the way we look at things. We look at it as dark, and the other side as light. But God does not look at it that way. God is perfect, righteous, holy character. Whatever He does is righteousness. He always acts in justice. He never does anything that has even a hint of wrong or evil. But it is the way we look at it. We think that a spanking is darkness, when God thinks of it as the ultimate of light. But I just wanted you to see that there. He is not evil, in any way. It is just the way that we approach it. And it is the way that people out there are approaching this terrible incident that has occurred. They are looking at it as darkness. And it is! Death has occurred. Destruction has occurred. But God wants it for a good purpose—to produce righteousness in those who remain. He will work with those people who died, in time. He does not see things as 'finished' with those people. He will get to them in the second resurrection. There is hope yet for them. But He wants those who remain—whom He has given a second chance—to make the right choices from here on out.
He is telling Cyrus, "Look, I'm behind everything. I have the power to do these things. I called you by name long before you were born. I'm the only One. I can do this. I can do that." He has one purpose—and that is to bring all of mankind into His Kingdom. And He will do whatever it takes to get that accomplished (obviously, in the bounds of His own character). So, He is not just 'sweetness and light.' He is also darkness, and terror, and gloom—when it is appropriate. For us, we need to think very seriously about I Thessalonians 5. This is just after Paul had talked about the return of Christ—that we are caught up in the air, and we will be ever with Him.
Paul had explained it to them before. It is the same with you. You have studied this before. You have kept the Feast of Trumpets. Year after year after year—you have heard these things. I think Paul was a little bit upset that actually he did need to write to them and to assure them that these things had not happened. He told them, "Why didn't you remember what I told you, when I was there?" There had been people that had come and told them that the resurrection had already been past. And he said, "You guys already know this. So don't be deceived."
It is very interesting that this came awfully suddenly, did it not? Out of peace and safety. David Wyatt-Mair wrote me an e-mail on Friday. He said that he was talking to his wife on the Sunday before this happened. And he said, "Things sure are calm. I bet something is about ready to happen." And on Tuesday, suddenly, the greatest attack of terrorism that has ever happened in this world occurred. "Peace and safety"—and then "sudden destruction."
No, we are on that other side—because God has called us out of darkness and into His marvelous light.
It says watch in the New Testament—and even in the Old Testament. I am thinking specifically about Ezekiel 33. It tells you to watch for war and for the signs of things coming. "Watch and pray always that you may be worthy to escape these things"—talking about the return of Christ and the signs that He gave. Is this one of those signs? I think so. If it is not one of the specific signs, it certainly is an echo of them—of things that could come, and will come, in the future. And so, what did he warn us to do? Watch and be sober. When you are sober, you do not get all riled up. You do not go half-cocked to do this, that, and the other thing. You take it seriously. You ponder. You look at it, to see what it means—which is what Paul is trying to gently prod us to do here. Watch. Observe. Be sober in your thinking about what it all means in the scheme of things.
What does this soberness drive us to do? Well, there it is. We put on faith, and love, and salvation. We get to work on ourselves!I am not denouncing what the people are doing out there. (Not necessarily.) Sin is sin. It is wickedness. It is awful. It should not be. But what I am trying to get us to do is to watch, observe what has happened, and be sober about it—putting all of this that we have seen in the past week in the perspective of God. And then use it, because we have been called and given this opportunity to see where things are going, to change ourselves! Putting on these character attributes of God is a thing that we do personally. We are not in the face of those people out there. We can warn them, certainly—that these things are sinful, that this is a warning from God. We cannot change them, though! Who can we change? Ourselves. We are His witnesses. We warn them, and let them take it where they will. But the other half of that witness is how we are in the world, and how we appear to those who are outside, in darkness. Are we fitting examples of God, in this world? Are we spiritual enough to make a witness? That the end is near, and that Israel (the apple of God's eye), among all the families of the earth, is in dire trouble! Do we have the credibility to make that message plain? I do not know. I pray to God that we do. But that means constant vigilance, being sober, and putting on the breastplate of love, and faith, and the helmet of salvation. Always, constantly—because things are close. The Day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night; and we are of the day, and not of the night. So, we must be ready and always working on ourselves.
Now, this is not a guarantee. This is an appointment—meaning, what He did was He chose you, and you, and you, and you, and you. And He said, "I've chosen you not to go through the wrath. I will give you the revelation of Myself. I called you out of this world. I've given you My Spirit. I've given you My law. Now, what are you going to do with it? I have not chosen you to go through this. But you still could." Let us go on. What did He appoint us to?
We have been called to salvation, but this is a gentle warning from Paul that it could be taken away. That we could end up going through that wrath—if we are not sober, if we are not watching, if we get drunk and go to sleep and fall into darkness. Paul does not really get on their case, because he is trying to comfort them. But the warning is there, underneath. We are on the razor's edge—or could be—especially at this time of the end, when the Laodicean attitude is most prevalent. Rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing. Many of them do not even answer the door when Christ Himself knocks. But if we do answer the door, Christ will come in and dine with us. So, if we have been affected by the Laodicean condition, we had better make sure that we are part of those who have opened the door and let Christ in. Let us go to the second epistle of Thessalonians. He is still on this same theme because, evidently, the first letter was not quite good enough. So he had to reassure them again, in II Thessalonians.
They had evidently taken his gentle warnings to heart, and their faith and love were growing. And that was great!
What did he say there? He said, "When you begin growing in faith, and love, and patience—even among afflictions and tribulation, and trials, and tests, and destruction—this is evidence (proof) that God has judged you worthy of the Kingdom, and that you are on the road to that glorious end."
Notice, after we just went through that, he brings out the second coming of Jesus Christ. That is when the reward is going to occur. But that is also when the punishment is going to occur as well, in large part.
Now notice that these two sides pop up again. When Jesus Christ returns, He comes to punish them with everlasting destruction, on those who do not believe. Yet, on the other hand, He also comes to reward those who have believed. He comes to glorify and reward His saints, and to give them all that they are due—because of their faithfulness to God. And He also comes with righteous wrath to judge and destroy His enemies. They are both fair. Paul says, very plainly, that God's vengeful wrath is a righteous thing.
It is not evil. It is just a part of His character—that He will not abide sin. So our God is meek—yes, very meek—meeker than Moses, who was the meekest who ever lived on this earth (outside of Jesus Christ). But when we come to understand what meek means, then you come to understand God (Jesus Christ) a great deal more—because meekness means that God expresses the proper emotion and reaction at the appropriate time. When it calls for love, and mercy, and gentleness, and kindness—that is what He expresses. But when it calls for destruction, and ruin, and death—He will give that too. Like I said, we are dealing with a Being that is the ultimate in everything that is good and loving. And sometimes love has that second edge (if you get my meaning). Now notice the man, Jesus Christ. I just want to run through this quickly. People, who preach that Jesus Christ never lifted a hand or had an angry look in His eye, are quite wrong.
Our God was angry when the people would not "do good" for one who was suffering on the Sabbath day. Mark 11 is one of the accounts of Christ going through the temple and cleaning it out. As we go through these few verses, wonder whether He did this with a smile on His face?
And I do not think He said that with a wimpy voice.
It does not sound like 'Jesus, meek and mild" does it? It does not sound like the effeminate man that you see in pictures, or hanging on crosses. He was a Man of action! A Man of fierce emotions (when needs be). A Man who wished the Day of the Lord was kindled. How about them apples? Hebrews 13:8 maybe says it all.
He does not change! The same Creator God, the same God Almighty, the same covenant God, the same El Shaddai (I could go through all of His names) is the same as Jesus Christ, the Man, and Jesus Christ, our God—the One who now stands at His Father's right hand. In the Gospel accounts, we do not see Him often doing things powerfully—except preaching. He spoke as one having authority. But, as a Man, He was relatively ineffectual because of His humanity. I mean, being this God of wrath. He could not do it, because He did not have the power. He was under authority Himself. But He is God now, again, in all His fullness. All the prerogatives of God were given back to Him when He ascended back to His Father. And now He can display His wrath in the way that He wants to. He does say, in John 18:36, that if His Kingdom were of this world, His servants would fight! He tells Pilate that, very bluntly. "If My kingdom was of this world, My angels [or, saints] would come in here with an army that you could never oppose. And they'd win. And I would not be allowed to die." But He knew His purpose. He did not come then to be the God of wrath of the Day of the Lord. He came to be our redemptive Lamb—our Savior—and to train as our High Priest. Let us close in Acts 17. This is the last part of what Paul preached to the Athenians. He had just talked about "in Him we live and move and have our being."
Jonathan Edwards had something interesting to say on that. He says: "God is not altogether such an one as themselves, though they may imagine Him to be so." That is the same thing that Paul said. Whatever we have devised of our own mind, outside the revelation of God, is wrong. That is not God. The God who is revealed in the pages of His Word is God—and not just one part of His Word, but the God who is revealed through all the pages of the Old and New Testament.
First, Paul says, "Look. Your gods are nothing. Everything that you've devised and thought God to be, forget it—because God is not like wood, or stone, or gold, or silver, or anything that you could devise or imagine. He is far different. He's holy. He's righteous." Second, he assures them that God has mercifully considered their ignorance. God is not so unjust as to think that they are so deserving of death that they should be held accountable for the whole of His revelation, which has not really been revealed to them. He understands that. So He is merciful. He forgives, in part, their ignorance. But He nevertheless demands and commands everyone, everywhere, to repent. Paul said this to the pagan Athenians. And he tells them, "God now is demanding of everyone repentance." And third, he warns them that a day is coming in which they will be held accountable for their conduct. On the one hand, there is reward; and, on the other hand, there is rebuke. Which is it going to be? As generously as He rewards the faithful, He will with equal effort punish the sinful. And it is very interesting. I do not know if you were aware of this. It never entered my mind before, even after reading this for many years. But the resurrection was not only a guarantee of the hope of our resurrection. It is also a guarantee that He is coming back as our Judge—either to reward or to punish. That is what Paul said. He has given reassurance of this to all, by raising Him from the dead. Because Christ was raised from the dead, we can be raised from the dead too—and enter into His Kingdom. But, because He was raised from the dead, He also assured that He is returning with power and great might—at the head of an army, to establish His Kingdom in righteousness. We could go through Revelation 6:12-17, which talks about the Lamb of God and His wrath. It is funny to think of a lamb being wrathful. But He is—this Lamb. Revelation 14:17-20 talks about the winepress of His wrath being full of blood. And the last verse talks about blood up to the bridle of a horse. That is deep, folks. The World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were nowhere close to the way it will be in the Valley of Jehoshaphat. Blood up to the bridle of a horse. Can you imagine? That is roughly about 4 feet high. Revelation 19:11-21 is Christ's return. And He invites all the birds of the world to the supper of the great King. Do you know what they are doing? They are feasting on flesh! We have seen nothing yet, if this does not get turned around in repentance. I said that we would close there in Acts 17; but I think it is much better if I close by just reading Joel 2. I want to really show you that even though God, through Joel, talks about all this destruction and Christ at the head of an army, I want to give you want He says to do. I do not want to leave that hanging.
I have spoken a lot today about God's wrath, and how angry He can get, and how strongly He will react to sin. But this is the side that we have to remember, and that we can call upon in repentance.
So we all have a part to do in this. Instead of condemning the people for their sin, let us—as priests—go between them and God, and beseech Him to have mercy upon His people, Manasseh. That is all of my sermon for today. I hope that I did not depress you too much. That was not my purpose at all; but I did want to give you a counter to some of the things that we have been hearing on the TV and on the radio. RTR/plh/drm
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